Drinks On Dusty
Let the drinks flow and the conversations grow.
Drinks on Dusty is built on a simple idea: That some of the strongest connections in the world happen over a drink and a great conversation. Hosted by Dusty, a country boy from Nebraska turned NYC dream chaser, this podcast brings people together to share stories, laughs, and real moments.
Each episode, Dusty sits down with guests from his life (past and present), he grabs their favorite drink, and dives into conversations that can go anywhere. From deep, personal stories to the most ridiculous, off-the-rails thoughts imaginable. Their all no limits!
At its core, this podcast is about connection and getting to know people for who they really are, one drink at a time. And sometimes......a few drinks at a time.
So grab a drink, pull up a seat, and join the journey. Cheer Ya'll!
Drinks On Dusty
Episode 6: "Down the Rabbit hole" featuring Liz and White Claws!
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Welcome back to Drinks On Dusty! On this episode, we are joined by the stunning, ultra-talented, one and only Liz (@officially_liz55)! Liz is a born-and-raised Nebraska girl like myself (except...I'ma bro) who made the move to NYC to pursue her lifelong dream. She’s an actress, a singer blessed by Zeus himself, and legit one of the most talented humans I’ve ever been in a room with. Liz and I connection goes wayyyyyy back and she will always hold such a special place in my heart.
Inside the Episode: We sat down for a very in-depth talk about all things life, acting, moving to the city, and chasing the dream, our relationship, all while sipping on the ultimate basic drink: White Claws, our drink of the night.
Some other highlights is we talk about the night we met and how a simple "im taking your hat" started a whole journey for us". We also talk about following different passions and life and where that all takes us.
Liz is a dynamic individual that truly becomes special to anyone she meets, she has the most wonderful energy you can ask for in a person! So grab a drinks and listen to Dusty connect with someone he holds truly dear!
Let the drinks flow and the conversations grow! Cheers Y'all!
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Drink of the Night: 🥤 White Claw
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Let's go, drinks on dusty, let's do it, let's go, drinks on the dusty, coming in, dusty, coming in, too.
SPEAKER_05Dusty thinking, we'll be drinking. We don't know what dusty is thinking. We are here to have a good time. Step it back. Put your drinks up. Come on, y'all. Fill up the cup. Drinks are dusty. Let's go. Come on, y'all. Start the show. Oh no.
SPEAKER_03Woo!
SPEAKER_06What is it? What's to the what's to the right of you? What is that? Yeah, that pick the pictures. Not the corner of the wall, is. I was thinking. That's a corner, Dustin. Okay. Alright.
SPEAKER_02Um, these are like old movie stars. So that one, this woman is Vivian Lee from Gone with the Wind. That's Clark Gable from Gone with the Wind.
SPEAKER_06No, Clark Gable.
SPEAKER_02That's the bottom is Katherine Hepburn. And then up top, I have um what the fuck?
SPEAKER_06You don't even know the names of the people on the. I do know.
SPEAKER_02Fred Astaire. I was thinking Frank Sinatra. I'm like, that's not his name. Yeah, it's I'm a mess. And then Betty, Betty Davis is up top. And then I also have a picture of Marlon Brando.
SPEAKER_06Ooh, so Marlon Brando. Okay, everybody, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode seven. I had to count these before I got on. Uh, episode seven of the Drinks on Dusty podcast. I'm your host, Dusty, and today I have a very special guest. She is a woman I care about deeply. She is a multi-talented actress, musician. Uh, she sings like a goddess. She's literally the best singer I know. Um, she's beautiful, she's just the incomparable. I don't know if that's the right word. It is. That's a good word.
SPEAKER_04Is that a good word?
SPEAKER_06Okay. I I get really excited when I say big words, honestly. And I always I'm like, hey, you got that one. Good job, buddy. But uh, it is Liz Fit Barnes for Liz. Liz, so today we're drinking, and I think what I want to read this quote uh verbatim. We are gonna ask, you fill the actually. This has been the funniest way that anyone's filled out the form. It made me laugh like the whole time. White claw, it's a basic girls' beverage, and you could say I'm pretty basic. I love mango, but I also think it's appropriate for me to have lime white claw because I'm a slut for lime with Croy.
SPEAKER_02You know what's so funny too? I I got mango because I'm an asshole.
SPEAKER_06Wait, I have mango. Did you get did you get a variety? I got the variety pack. I got you just get strictly mango because I'm about to try all these different flavors I've never had.
SPEAKER_02I have a variety pack in there, and then I also just got mango because I love it so much.
SPEAKER_06We like to have we like to have like a surplus of the mango. So why are we picking white claw today? Other than it's the basic drink.
SPEAKER_02Does it just honestly it's just like yeah, it's just like what I've been drinking recently, I think more than anything. And because it's hot as like I don't even know what, as balls, as uh mother, you know what, as like whatever you want to say. Um, it's like refreshing.
SPEAKER_06It is really, I feel like anytime I walk outside now, I sweat like fucking eight puddles.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm disgusting all the time.
SPEAKER_06What is that? I is it why? I feel like we should be used to that being from Nebraska. Like, is the humidity worse? And I don't know. I don't know anything about the weather. I'm not a weather man, I don't know anything about the weather.
SPEAKER_02No, yeah, I don't I don't know, but it's uh I hate it.
SPEAKER_06And I hate it too.
SPEAKER_02Like I just went on the subway. This is hilarious. I just went on the subway for the first time yesterday since I've been back in August.
SPEAKER_06I did that yesterday too when I went to I went to see Greg uptown. That was the first time I've been in in since March.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So I I avoided taking the subway for a month because I was also like hashtag anxiety, we love. Um and but then I took it yesterday.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06If you have anxiety, I don't think it's funny. Okay, just want to throw that out.
SPEAKER_02All right, well, yes, it's not funny, it's a thing.
SPEAKER_06It's to my millions of followers, I would say that anyways.
SPEAKER_02Simply, um, but no, I I avoided it for like a month because I was like, I'm not going on that dirty, crusty ass subway, like not even a little bit. And then yesterday, Chase needed to go somewhere, and I was like, Ah, I'll go with you, whatever. I'll go on the subway, fine, I'll save money, it's fine.
SPEAKER_06Um wait, are you just like Ubering any? I guess if you're not going too many places, but are you just like Ubering and taking cars?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. And that's racked up.
SPEAKER_06That can rack up real quick in New York City. Like anything can, but Ubering can be real pain.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was it was it was I just checked a couple things. I just checked my credit card statement because I've been putting them on my credit card. Um, and I was like, Ballsy mo. Oh no. We gotta stop. Girl, you gotta stop.
SPEAKER_06Girl, we're done here.
SPEAKER_02We are done. And but the second thing I was gonna say was going back to the subway. First of all, it's clean. So, like, it is New York's.
SPEAKER_06Way cleaner, way cleaner than it was when I was on it a while ago.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, I'm also like the first thought I said, I turned to Chase and I was like, it's really clean in here, and I feel like it should be like this all the time. Like, this shouldn't have been a problem.
SPEAKER_06We didn't need a global pandemic to realize that the subways could should just not be hideously dirty.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and like trash everywhere.
SPEAKER_02Like whatever. Like, I don't know. I feel like I saw on average, like at least a few beer cans, like a diaper, like some snacks, like just weird shit on the subway all the time. And I was like, what are you people doing? Like, there are trash cans literally right outside. Can you not wait?
SPEAKER_06I think that there's people that just have the mindset in New York where people are like, You're gonna have to take it anyway, so fuck it. Like, just they know you have to take the subway.
SPEAKER_00It's like out of spite, like they're doing it just to be jerks.
SPEAKER_06They literally are just like, fuck this shit. People gotta take the subway anyway. They're gonna just look and hate this, but they're gonna take it.
SPEAKER_02Honestly, I'm here for that. I'm here for that energy that's like some big dick energy. I love that.
SPEAKER_06Some big sure.
SPEAKER_02Like, why not?
SPEAKER_06All right. Um, so let's start, let's start our our journey. Our journey, Liz. Liz, we met in college, so you were a freshman. Uh, I will tell my side of the story first. We met in a basement at a theater party, and shout out to you. You are the only girl that has ever taken a hat off the top of my head, which is legit top five of my pet peeves. Because if someone takes my hat off my head, you took my hat off my head, put it on, and didn't do anything. Just was I pretty girl took hat, it's fine. Um, and I was okay with it. But you said that I, and again, I got a quote because you said this is what I said, that I went up to you and described myself as a big deal. Is that real or are you just being an asshole? Because no, I'm not saying that I didn't do it, because it definitely seems like something I would do. And I want to say this is Dustin Charm, but if you want to tell the story about when we met, that would be awesome if you whatever you recall from it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah. So, first and foremost, I was hashtag sloshed at the party that I met you. I don't remember taking your hat, but I'm really happy I did. That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_06That's the one thing I do remember was I remember the hat.
SPEAKER_02It was like I don't, I literally, wow, that's unfortunate for me. That's a that's a solid brownout for me. Um, because I remember meeting you at that party. I fully remember meeting you. I just don't remember any of the any of the events that happened throughout. But anyway, um, no, that particular moment, I distinctly remember we I was hanging out with you at Zeta Psy, and you were practicing lines. I was helping you with lines from Antigone.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I don't remember how I got brought up or like what happened, whatever. But I do remember you at one point saying to me, like, yeah, I'm a big deal. I'm a big deal in this department. And I was like, Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_06Like, I don't fucking know. Did you say like okay, like, okay, guy, or was it first because you said white-eyed freshman in your like sentence, but um like part, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So like part of me was like, Oh, maybe I mean, like, I didn't I didn't know anything. I was like, I bet he is a big deal. Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Like, I've done that.
SPEAKER_06That is such a douchey thing to say. That's such a douche. But hey, when you're trying to oppress a girl, don't call me, hey, don't call me douche.
SPEAKER_00You're not a douche, you're not a douche, I don't think you are.
SPEAKER_06But I at this time in my life, which is part that got brought up in other podcasts, but in this part of my life, I had douche, very douchey tendencies. Um, but yes, I would assume that I definitely did say that to you.
SPEAKER_00You definitely did.
SPEAKER_06But I remember I I texted you like how many years after that, but I showed you the messages from Facebook I sent to you to get your phone number. And I just want to say, hey, I had some moves, it worked. I got a phone number. Um, but it's it's fucking that shit made me laugh. But um, another story you brought up, I think I kind of remember this, but um, and I'm a I actually think this is Nate Hoggett. This is the only person I can think of, but I do remember us being in my room with fraternity, and then someone just barged in. And what were they talking about? They're talking about Titanic, the Titanic. What would they do it?
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_06Oh, you don't know? Okay, I thought you like I thought you like remembered the whole thing. I was like, I want to.
SPEAKER_02I kind of remember the whole thing. I kind of remember the whole thing. I just remember like being in there and like I was like half asleep or whatever, yeah, like just doing my thing, and then some some frat bro barges, just barges in. And I was like, this is chill.
SPEAKER_06Okay, this is legit the thing I hated the most about living in fraternity, yes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and he went into your closet. I feel like it was Chase. Um, what's his name? Roberts. Chase Roberts.
unknownOh god, I don't like that guy at all.
SPEAKER_02He was one, he was, I feel like it was Nate that's maybe it was, I don't know. I literally can't remember. Nate Hoggett, like was definitely around. I don't know if he was one of the ones that barged in, but there was someone that barged in, went into your closet, and just like started spouting out shit about the Titanic. And I was like, I was sitting there, I sat up and I was like, Are you serious right now? Like, is this really happening to me?
SPEAKER_06I just sitting there looking at the situation. I don't even know what I would do asleep.
SPEAKER_02I literally like don't remember what the fuck you were doing, but I was like, wait a minute. I mean, it was very loud, and like I I guess I'm I'm kind of a heavy sleeper, but also not at all. So like woke me up and I was like, hello, the lights are off. What's wrong with you?
SPEAKER_06That was oh god, I hated that. So you're you're an actress and you are you have kind of always done theater since you were younger, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, pretty much. Um, I mean, like Nebraska is a is a theatrical wasteland for the most part. So very much so. There's not much there.
SPEAKER_06Um we need a billionaire to literally come in there and start something.
SPEAKER_02Literally.
SPEAKER_06Seriously, honestly.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, yes. I will say I do have like there's a new company that I'm really excited about that I'm uh doing stuff for when I get home. But we'll talk about that later.
SPEAKER_06But anyway, um well you better remember because I forget shit pretty easily.
SPEAKER_02I'll remember. I'll remember. I'll try. Anyway, um but yeah, so when I was younger, I just like always my parents were both in theater and they like did theater and like all I didn't know your parents were, so they kind you kind of grew up with it throughout. Yeah, well, they didn't do theater, they were teachers, right? But they did theater in college. Funny enough, they both went to Wesleyan, they met in college, like oh, so they both went to our school and they that's so cute.
SPEAKER_06Oh shit. Yeah, shout out to Liz's mom and dad. That's fucking awesome.
SPEAKER_01Diane and Dutch, they are the MVPs.
SPEAKER_06Fucking your mom is I've never met your dad, I don't think, but your mom is an amazing human. Um that's incredible. I didn't know they met at their prairie wolves and they they met at our school. That's awesome. That's so cool.
SPEAKER_02There's like um, if you I I don't know, I don't even know if Wesley owns the rehearsal house anymore. There was I'm not sure what exactly is happening with that, but I've drove past back in the day, yeah. Back in the day when um we we like used it, my dad, I think, and my mom too, they their names are like on plaques on the walls somewhere in the rehearsal house.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, there are. Oh, that's really cool. Okay, so Liz is apparently I didn't put this in my intro. Liz is Wesleyan no Nebraska Wesleyan royalty. Um that's awesome. Was there something that first like clicked with you with loving theater and wanting to perform, or was it mostly like just your parents were teaching you and then you just kind of got into it?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um my parents bought my sister and I the VHS tape to Cats, the musical. Um and I 100% was watching those people, and I was like, this is what I have to do. Like, I don't know why. I just knew I was like, this is 100% like I know I either want to be a cat, I guess, or a performer, and I'm not really sure which one it is, but like I'll go with it, sure.
SPEAKER_06Um, it's like one of the other things that would be more plausible. The theater is more plausible than you being a cat. So you you made a better career choice in that situation.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_06Like, you can go be a cat, but um exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, but then I also saw Phantom of the Opera when I was like three or four years old. Um, and I can still like literally I can still see flashes of that particular show at the Orpheum in my mind. And I remember sitting on my mom's lap the whole time because I was kind of scared and I was like, oh, this is scary, like whatever. But I also knew watching that show, I was like, this is it.
SPEAKER_06This is it, and that's like your favorite musical, correct? Correct me if I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, it's it's one of my favorites. I would say, like, as I've grown, for sure, I've realized that Phantom um is not for everyone, it's an acquired taste, that's fine, whatever.
SPEAKER_06Um if you're not watching, rolls are eyes. So if you don't think that, you can go fuck yourself. If you do think that, fuck off. Whatever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, no, but yeah, it's I've also realized like it's it's an incredible, like, groundbreaking show, but I also kind of have like shifted interests as well throughout my life. So it's it's in my top, it'll forever be in my top because it's all it means so much to me.
SPEAKER_06But like okay, well, I definitely have this as one of my questions later on today. But what are like if you had to put like a top five, what would be your top five? Because I I fucking love top five's anything, and I want to know. Top five shows, yeah. If you had to like, are they just musicals or are they like shows in general?
SPEAKER_02Oh man.
SPEAKER_06Um, let's just say musicals, just to make it easier on you.
SPEAKER_02All right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I legit list have top five everything in my like I have top. If you go, what's your top five favorite dogs? I could give you a top five list. I what are your go off?
SPEAKER_02I want to hear your topic.
SPEAKER_06Literally, golden retrievers number one, labs, number two, hunting labs. My dad was a hunt hunter. Um uh Corgi's number three. Um, and I have now, uh, because of my sister has long haired chihuahuas, and I've always hated chihuahuas, but those that specific breed, they're cute. Oh, yeah, Delilah and Roxy, shout out. Oh, they're 10 years old, and um, my sister's kind of cry, Liz. Oh god. Oh, that's their uh like uh them, and then I would go um German Shepherds, Jesus Christ, right? But yeah, see, pretty quick to just top five of it. That's really weird. I I think really weird, but do you have like top five shows on the top of your head, or is that something like yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I think my number one right now is a show that Chase can even show the amount of times that Chase has been brought up on the it's just funny as fuck to me. But like Chase has literally since his episode, like he was my second guest, every episode since then has Chase been mentioned. It's so funny to me.
SPEAKER_01Shout to him, he's amazing.
SPEAKER_06Hey, also, I mean like he's like next door, right?
unknownHe's next door.
SPEAKER_02No, he's not. This is the thing, is I was like, Chase, you should like come in and be just like I was thinking about texting, like if yeah, you go pop in, Chase.
SPEAKER_06What's going on?
SPEAKER_02Yes, and then he was like, Oh, I'm meeting up with a couple friends at this bar, and I'm like, Okay, whatever, like just ruined my life, it's fine. Like, no, I'm kidding. But anyway, so the shows. Chase showed me this show like last year, and I have since been obsessed with it. Like, I literally have dreamt about being in England and performing in the show because it's only been on the West End and like one other place um before the West End. But it's called The Grinning Man, and it's like based off of a different Victor Hugo who wrote uh Les Mizera, the original book to Le Miz. Um, it's based off of a different novel of his called The Man Who Laughs, which the Joker from Batman, that's what he's based off of. Um so it's this whole musical chronicle. Yeah, I know it's just like a lot, but um, it's this whole musical going through this man who's like been deformed with like facial shit, and then it goes through like his journey or whatever, and there's one particular part, his like um love interest in the show is like this blind girl named Dea, and she I would just like kill to be that part. It's just like amazing, the music's amazing. Shout out to that show.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's not a like it's not like a show. I I mean, I'm not the person to know any musical ever, as you know, but like um that's not a I would say not a well-known show, it's not on Broadway. Anyone thinks that anyone that's not on Broadway, it's not like musical, which is just stupid.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06But um, well, that sounds fucking great. Yeah, and you're really in love with the were you really in love with the character and that's what made you love the show?
SPEAKER_02Or was it the music that kind of it was really the music and how different it was?
SPEAKER_06Like I it it also I want to talk to you about music because I I don't know it, but like I don't understand it, but like what what was different about it? What makes a musical what makes the music in a musical different?
SPEAKER_02I think like currently where like where our industry is at right now specifically is like super like in a pop rock genre, right? Like it's just all contemporary and fun, and that 100% has its place. People who sing that really, really well, I'm like, pop the fuck off. You guys are awesome, go at it. Like, it's not my thing, that's not what I do really well. So I'm kind of like cheering from the sidelines, like, please do it, and I'm gonna go do something else. Um, but the grinning man for being created within the past, like I don't know when it was created, but like in the past 10 years, let's say, it just has like a really macabre and dark and like interesting and beautiful um orchestration and like melodies and like the songs are just so unique and like unlike anything I've heard presently within music the musical theater like world, I guess. Like it's it's if you compare it like with something like Dear of Enhanson versus The Grinning Man, it's like what these were made in the same time period, like hello. So it's it's just super cool, and like they also oh, I'm just so obsessed with this show. They also go off, girl. Puppetry.
SPEAKER_06Like it's the same they put puppetry into the into the show.
SPEAKER_02Into the show, yeah. So it's the same people that um Did War Horse and like War Horse won all those awards and everything for the incredible puppetry and whatever with the horse and so on?
SPEAKER_04I never saw that actually.
SPEAKER_02I didn't either, but I'm assuming it was great since it's one stuff.
SPEAKER_06Good good.
SPEAKER_02But whatever. Um, but like there's one song in particular in the Grinning Man that I'm just like freaking obsessed with, and it uses all the puppets, and it's just so cool. It's just like the show's unlike anything I've ever seen in my life. So I'm just so obsessed.
SPEAKER_06Do you get to how do you listen to the music? Because it's I'm assuming it's not like on Spotify or like iTunes or stuff like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um so I mean we have YouTube, it's on YouTube.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it was on YouTube for a while, and then in June they streamed um one of the productions they had at Bristol Old Vic before it transferred to the West End. It was, I mean, my mother can attest. Like, I was living my life watching that show. I was beside myself. Um, but anyway, so that that was one way to watch it. But now I'm like a little upset because they took off all of the recordings of the song, so I like can't listen to it. Um yeah, so I'm like upset.
SPEAKER_06But I did like we should go beat their ass.
SPEAKER_02Let's go to England. Not like we can because nobody wants us there, but like that's fine.
SPEAKER_06Well, no one wanted me in New York from Nebraska, so I mean, hey.
SPEAKER_02Incorrect! Incorrect.
SPEAKER_06I mean like the travel plan. Like New York doesn't want anyone to come in.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you mean like right now? I thought you meant like in general.
SPEAKER_06I was like, I have friends here, Liz. Um, I'm still a big deal, okay? You see how I connected that, and I can I'm really I have this weird thing I have to tell when I'm like if I've I'm proud of myself, I have to tell myself I'm like, hey, look at that, Dustin. That but it's part of my humor. So Liz, you've kind of always wanted to move to New York City, right? Was New York City like the like by far you wanted to go there when you started studying theater in high school, or like when you're doing theater in high school and then you're studying it in college, was New York the number one place without any questions you wanted to go to?
SPEAKER_02Yes and no. I feel like in high school, like becoming an actor and decided, well, I mean, like, truthfully, in high school when I applied to college, like I was an opera major, so I had no idea what I wanted to do. Like, I was like, oh, I'm vocal performance, like I don't know. And then once I got to college and like started Wesley, and I was like, oh, and like shout out to Jules because Julia, because she was my freshman roommate, and she was like, I'm musical theater, and I'm like, I kind of want to do that instead.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Julia is the talent coordinator for the Drinks on Dusty podcast, and she hasn't done a damn thing. Yeah, she hasn't done a damn thing yet, so I haven't paid her yet. But um, you know, hey.
SPEAKER_02I love you, Julia. Anyway, um so like I didn't really think about it, to be honest with you. And then sophomore year was like the first New York trip um that Wesleyan did with for like the seniors and juniors or whatever, and like everybody, I guess, that was going like my first New York trip that has been brought up again.
SPEAKER_06That was my first New York trip. That was my first, my first New York trip, my first time on a plane. That has been like we've talked about it, it's just so funny.
SPEAKER_02That was your first time on a plane, Liz.
SPEAKER_06How'd you not know that? What's the biggest difference between living with because you live with two of um people that have been on the podcast, Chase and Joe now, and you've also lived with all girls, and I've only like lived with all boys or a mix, a mix or whatever. I've never lived with all girls or I guess before. What's the biggest difference when you live with those?
SPEAKER_02Um, the smell. No, I'm kidding. Um I think like particularly in terms of theater, um and this is also different because when I lived with all girls, it was in college where like the the tension is just so high and we all were going after the same things. But I will say, like, um when I did live with in my first apartment um up on 181st when I'm eighty or whatever the hell street I lived on. Anyway, yeah, um, way up in the heights, Lynn Manuel's neighborhood. Um Lin Manuel. We stand. We stand um there's like a weird, I feel like when it's people I know from college, there's a weird transfer of judgment and jealousy that goes into like, oh, how'd you do at that audition? Or like, I got a call back, I didn't get a call back. And even if you're supportive of that other person and you're like, I love you so much, I want you to succeed, I want you to get this, I want you to get that. There's still like because of the environment that we were in in college, like it was so toxic. Like, I can't even describe to you, Dustin.
SPEAKER_06Do you want to talk about how toxic it was? And again, you don't have to put it in.
SPEAKER_02We can go right into it.
SPEAKER_06Go right into it.
SPEAKER_02I am forever grateful for everything that happened in college, right? Like, made me the person I am today, taught me so much about myself, what I need, what I don't need, what I want, what I don't want, so on and so forth. But I also think college, well, okay. I think first of all, college.
SPEAKER_06I love when you get real, Liz. When you're real, it's my favorite thing.
SPEAKER_02I know when I am. I know it.
SPEAKER_06It's my favorite thing.
SPEAKER_02Um I feel like one, college pitted so many friends against each other in a way. And it's not just like only in where we went to school. I feel like that's just like I feel like in a general, in general, it's a general theater colleges across the nation, this is an issue, especially for girls, because there's just more of that.
SPEAKER_06So I totally agree with the I never felt like I dealt with that. I guess Chugbib. Um I I never felt like I dealt with that in going, we both went to the college. I remember like hearing stories about you guys, and I think maybe it was the fact of you guys being I never looked at y'all similar types, but I I again I like to rank shit, and I was like, this person's this, and I've told you to your face, you are the most talented girl I know by far. It's the same way I tell Miles, Miles is the most talented guy I know.
SPEAKER_01Um, he's a little bit also shout out to his mixtape.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah, we shout out, we talked. It's fucking mixtape. Did you listen to my raps?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_06If you I'm not getting enough love for my raps, okay? I am literally listening I am literally the modern day MM.
SPEAKER_00And you're a big deal. You're just a big deal.
SPEAKER_06God, the people that don't the people that don't understand that sarcasm part of it make me so because I I at work one day I was at work and I I was just being a sarcastic douchebag. And I said I'm like, Yeah, I'm probably the coolest thing that's ever happened to kids club, and this this guy, like after whatever, like my manager at the time before I was a manager, came up and was like, Yeah, that guy hates you. I was like, Why? Like, what you're talking about, like, I was fucking kidding, I don't really think I'm whatever. But anyway, I think the the competition factor is like a big thing with I always feel not feeling bad, I never say things right, but feeling bad is not the way I want to say this. But it's I think it the competition is just this whole nother level when it comes to girls in the theater in general, and then when you go to like the same types in college or same types of thing. I personally literally never I probably my non-care factor was too high, but I never cared. There was never a role in college that I cared about, thought about getting literally all I cared about was drinking and talking to girls. I did not care. I senior year with and this show gets brought up a lot too. In the heights is the first time I ever was like, I want that. Granted, I'm 27 now, should never have done that, and I'm sorry for anyone that if you've ever seen that, I apologize. We are so sorry.
SPEAKER_00I'm so sorry.
SPEAKER_06We give real, we are so sorry, and we like you're talking about like a the style of a show. I always kind of hated musical theater, and the only time I the the first time I s understood it better was like, oh, there's a rapping musical that's fucking awesome, and then that made me like certain musical theaters and shit, and then obsessed with women well. How has has it gotten worse when you came to the city? How was it when you came to the city and the competition with now you're not in Nebraska and you're not in that small field, you're in New York now with all the most talented theater people in the world.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_06How'd you deal with that? How'd you feel about everything when you first moved here with that?
SPEAKER_02Well, I will say, like, first of all, back in college or whatever, like because there was just so few of us, it was easy to create, like this, this is dramatic sounding, but it's like it's easy to create a common enemy, right? So, like, one person is getting cast a lot, like whatever, that's our enemy. That's the person we don't like because they just get it and they don't quote unquote deserve it, who nobody deserves anything. Like, it's just it is what it is. But regardless, like that's the mentality you get, you know. And I've 100% fallen in that trap, and like I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is.
SPEAKER_06But everyone, I mean, again, you were a 19, 20, 21 year old.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we were young, we didn't know any better. Like it is, yeah. And then um, I will say as well, one thing I was gonna add to that is like me personally, I avoided the female relationships in my life by just being in legitimate, like just a relationship with another person, like a guy, because I think like part of me was trying to like suppress like I don't want to face these people, like I don't want to deal with these other people because I can't handle the drama. I can't handle like being scrutinized, like I don't not scrutinized as in like performance, but like scrutinized as in like I just don't want to hear that negativity.
SPEAKER_06Um, one of the reasons I I've got along with you this girl is literally not like any of those other people, and you don't have that kind of drama-filled mentality or mean girl attitude. You are a genuine caring person, but we all have that. Fuck Adam Rice. I should have played fucking Java Jean.
SPEAKER_02Um Adam Rice! Oh man, shout out to Adam Rice. I hope you're so good, dude.
SPEAKER_06No, he's a bitch.
SPEAKER_02Um I miss him though. What a good guy.
SPEAKER_06We just uh FaceTime the on two days two nights ago.
SPEAKER_03Lesson.
SPEAKER_06But no, like we all go through like I I wanted to play Shylock, and I am not right for that role. But I was so tired of playing the love character and the love interest, or the I just like I want to fucking do something different. And luckily, like I had I had the center, like my when Miles got it, I was like, well, Miles Miles is the most sound of the most part right now, but I didn't think that way in college till a while. But uh, you know, you know, and you all I think any the insecurities that all theater people have is always there, and granted, hopefully you mature enough when you're older and you actually turn it to professional, but that's it's always is in college, like you're this is what you think your world is, and then you move into a big city, that's actually it's a whole nother different thing, right? Everyone has that, right?
SPEAKER_02And and that's the thing about moving to New York, I will say, like those now that we're in like pandemic times, I have no idea how these mentalities will shift or change because things are just going to be so different. But like before, with open calls and especially dance calls, just because like the dance world is so competitive and like it's so like I'm I'm not a dancer, so I I'm not in that world, like I'm not here for it. Um, I respect them and like they're fierce as fuck. But anyway, like especially for dance calls too, it was just this like tense, like who can out dance this person or like whatever. And not all of them were like that, but it was just like it was like I was in college again, but amplified because these bitches have been hustling their asses off since the day that they popped out of the womb.
SPEAKER_06And so you're not you're not going like when you moved here, you were 22, 23?
SPEAKER_02I was 20 when I like pseudo-moved here, I was 22. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_06Because I like kind of moved here in October of 2017, and then I just like sort of was here, and then I got booked on tour, and then I went on tour for six months, turned 23, and then yeah, but when you go to those bigger calls, you're you're you're dealing with a 30-year-old woman that's been doing this for a 30-year-old woman, 30-year-old person that's been doing this for has been doing the grind for five, six years. Like it's a whole another thing.
SPEAKER_02Right. I'd be right. It's funny, like those people I feel like are more they're either like super jaded and like whatever about things, or they're like supportive. And it's the younger ones that are like still in college and like whatever that are like the crazy, like I I don't know. There are some there are some chicks that I have seen at calls that I'm like, are you for real right now? Are you okay? Like, you don't seem okay.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I there the the New York acting call thing in New York City is just one of the weirdest and craziest things I've ever my first year being here. It's you see some things and it's fucking nuts. Warning drinks on dusty is not actually sponsored by Crown Royal at this time, just letting everybody know they are not sponsored. Crown Roy has said nothing, and this is just Dustin talked about his favorite whiskey. Everybody, this podcast is brought to you by Crown Royal. Crown Royal is the greatest whiskey you've ever drink in your life. So you ever like flavors? You like flavors in your drinks, you like flavors in your beers? Well, look no further. Crown Royal has all the flavors. They have the Crown Apple, they have the regular crown, they got the salted caramel, they got the peach, they got a bunch of shit. Crown Royal is the best whiskey that there has ever been, and if you sponsor me Crown, I will buy all your crown non-stop. What I just did a fake paid promotion thing for Crown Royal because I've been emailing them trying to get a sponsorship with them.
SPEAKER_02Do you remember I gave you that present uh for your life? That was legit.
SPEAKER_06Any girl that I've ever been seeing, that is the best gift I ever got in my life.
SPEAKER_02The New York scene after coming to Nebraska, it was like honestly, I had so many people be like, what was it like moving from Nebraska to here? And I'm like, yeah, it was fucking different, but like get the fuck over it. Like, I don't know, like I'm adaptable enough to be like, okay, this is gonna be super different from the Midwest, but like whatever, I'll just go with it. Who cares?
SPEAKER_06Like, I gotcha. I guess I don't know personally, I was you know freaked out when I came here. I was like, nah, never. But I think me being in Chicago did help me personally, but I also like again, not the typical theater person that I'm like, I don't even know what this shit is.
SPEAKER_02Um well I I will say though that like um I did do competitive thing, like competitive speaking in high school. So like you like speech or like the I did speech in high school and my dad was my coach, and I did like um theater type um events or whatever. So like that mentality was already ingrained, and I was like, yeah, I'll fucking take a bitch down. Like, not really, but I was like, yeah, whatever.
SPEAKER_06Like this doesn't have you ever been a flashway? Have you ever been a fight list?
SPEAKER_01No, no, I would fail so miserably.
SPEAKER_06You wouldn't have to deal with it, but Dustin, you know me.
SPEAKER_01I would not follow enough.
SPEAKER_06But I just was like, maybe, maybe, yes.
SPEAKER_01I'm competitive, but I would not do well enough.
SPEAKER_06No, you got too many people that care about you. Like, I would literally just beat the shit out of that person when they try to find you, like, all right, well, we're done.
SPEAKER_00Wait, wait, what? Keep this or not, I don't care.
SPEAKER_02Like, speaking of that, I distinctly remember a party in which I was getting yelled to shit outside of your apartment, and you came out. I always tell whenever I tell this story, I'm like, Dustin came out and like literally was trying to be like my hero in that moment because he was trying to be so nice and be like, listen, you're so wrong. You don't even know her, this girl, like whatever.
SPEAKER_06I I uh I try hard. Um, but I mean, yeah, I mean, it's a I don't know how to even say this, but like it's a thing that I have with you. Very I have it with anyone that I close with, and it's very few people that I have. If that person is being hurt, but I don't see anything but red, and I go, Okay, you're not gonna do this. But granted, I couldn't hit her. I uh would never hit a woman, never have, never will. But um, will I will make sure nothing happens?
SPEAKER_02I will do that, and I will do other tactics, but I'm not I was I was I was afraid that something would happen, to be very honest.
SPEAKER_06She was she was real close to me, and I was like, I don't know if you want to talk about this, but you are moving out of uh New York City. And how are you feeling about that? How do you feel about your leaving now? Do you do you think it's gonna be a thing that you're gonna continue? Like, I just don't want to be in New York anymore, or is it more just because of the pandemic and stuff?
SPEAKER_02It's 100% the pandemic. Yeah, um I I mean, like in terms of me moving back, because Chase is my roommate, we've talked about it a bunch. Like, what are your plans? Like, what do you think? Whatever. And me personally, like, as soon as I feel like I can especially financially support myself and like we'll see where the pandemic goes, whatever. Um like I'll I'll be back. It's it's really not gonna be anything that's like moving home is so temporary in my eyes that I'm like, gotcha.
SPEAKER_06I barely like me telling you, I like I I haven't really told that many people just because and this 100%, like I don't care who knows, but um, like I haven't told that many people just because I'm like it's you don't you don't feel like it's a big life decision, you feel like it's like move back, whatever. Which honestly, if I was in your shoes or my lease was ending at this time, I would have been like, all right, fuck that, I'm going home for a while. Like, I think mine happened in June, and it was like I don't even know what the fuck's happening, and it was like I don't really want to leave New York, but like it was just made more sense to just keep the apartment. But I think around because your guys' lease have uh ends the end of this month, this month. So it's it's literally just I know for a fact if it would I would have been like I'm going back home, like I'm I don't even care. I would have moved back to Nebraska in June just because I have like so many fucking weddings I have to go back to. I'm like, all right, I'll just be here for a year. Right. Well, yeah, a lot easier.
SPEAKER_02Honestly, and like I knew like I because when I was talking to my parents about it too, I was like, Well, I know I'm gonna want to be back for Christmas because I just like to be home for Christmas or whatever, and like I probably I don't fucking understand absentee ballot bullshit. So I was like, I just want to be home for voting, and like or are you not registered in New York? No, I'm Nebraska. Okay, my vote in New York, we're good. We good here.
SPEAKER_06We good here, but I mean that's kind of how it I I I I like the way you're thinking because I think I feel like the opposite about Nebraska was like, whatever I do ain't gonna fucking matter here. But your mindset is what we need to make a bigger change, which is yeah, but also I'm older than you, and it was like I was 26 and I need a new driver's license. So I was like, Well, I live in New York, so I might as well just change this whole shit now. It's fucking God, I don't I'm too old nowadays, and I fucking hate it. And every time I say it, I'm like, Jesus, Dustin. What are you doing?
SPEAKER_02I'm listening I just turned 25 this year, and I was like, I am deteriorating from the inside out, aren't I?
SPEAKER_06Do you do you feel behind in the sense with uh theater stuff with other people like people that you know that aren't doing theater? Do you ever feel in my personally feel like behind in life or like you should be doing something else? But because you're in theater, because we have to have a certain mindset with this business, you're like, I'm not focused on buying a house, I'm not focused on getting married, I'm not focused on having kids, I'm focused on trying to get this next audition or this next connection or whatever. Do you ever feel behind in that mindset or anything?
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Um, it's funny because I feel like behind in theater and I also feel behind in like where like with family and like getting married and like so on and so forth because like in theater it feels like the age to get on Broadway is just like dropping so dramatically that I'm like I'm 25 and these 18 year olds like good on them whatever but like these 18 19 year olds are getting on Broadway and I just I'm not even kind of close to there yet. So like what the hell do I do? And then especially from where we grew up like there's so many people that already like are pregnant, have children, are married, have a house and I'm like I can't even afford rent most of the time like what am I doing?
SPEAKER_06No I I mean it's yeah it's I mean I've dealt with that for a while now too yeah it's you need are you married yeah Dustin I don't no I'm not I don't no I'm good when your mindset in New York have you focused how scary has it been with you talking about like I don't I can't pay rent have you really focused more on like I have to audition all the time I kind of took a different path with like I'm gonna make sure I have money and make do that for a while which kind of hinders auditions for a bit sometimes but um have you kind of did that kind of hurt your financial track or anything like that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah I mean I definitely it was so hard because I got such a good gig at um element music and I was like set up really well there.
SPEAKER_06Um and you had shows you were doing things right when you came here you also hit the ground running and you also before you came here you had uh touring shows and stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yep yep so like right before I right before I um moved I got the national tour with Curious George or whatever and then did that for six months and then came back and then got a job and I'll be honest like once I got the job and like started having steady income come in I was like oh I like that oh I like having money like to just like have and even though I wasn't doing like well by any means I was still making more money than like normal.
SPEAKER_06So yeah and I think I think I personally believe that it's um a mindset or whatever I think that if you're not there's a logical way to look at doing theater and having a job and I think too many theater people don't think of it about it logically. The amount of times I paid for my friends metro cards for the week because they couldn't have it which like I'm always happy to do but it's the fact of like you're not you have to think about the logistical side of it but that doesn't hinder you going on auditions. If you make the time it'll work and everything.
SPEAKER_02Right. And I think like something that I hope really changes within the industry as well is just this idea of like we have to give up our entire lives in order to make everything work. Yeah um because I'm I'm just like not not here for because I did this like I didn't do a lot of things in order to save money in order to like go on the auditions and also be able to get to work and also be able to like I didn't have a life for most of the time time I was here I feel like I feel like I just go out and experience things in New York as much yeah I mean I also like had a boyfriend so I was like oh I'll just like be with him all the time whatever and that was dumb I mean the first year and a half I was here I just like dicked around with a with some with a boyfriend which is fine like whatever but I feel like I could have done so much more had I one not been in a relationship especially right out of a different relationship yikes and then two like I don't know I just I I feel like in our industry it's such in there's such an idea of like you have to give away your firstborn child and like your your every relationship you've ever had and like all of your money always and all you should do is go to a call that starts at 5 a.m and you should be there until 6 p.m even if one you have no connection you have no C but but you're trying that doesn't it's God I have so much anger towards that bullshit. It's it's not sustainable like it legitimately isn't sustainable and it's stupid in my mind it's just stupid like totally telling somebody like go go keep going just keep going just keep going I'm just like well hey why one find out what you're good at like you said you're not a dancer now personally I'm not a dancer Liz you can you guy but like you you're like a very multifaceted theater person.
SPEAKER_06You are musically inclined to a degree that I can't fucking understand. You're a very good straight actor and from straight acting meaning like in the terms of let me give you some business terms um the very few that I know um like straight acting is like straight on plays and stuff you're a very naturally good actor so you have that going for you you know how to do choreography um but I I understand like you saying like dancing not your thing it's the same thing to me like singing is not I think I can carry a tune but like I'm not gonna go to a lay mess call why would I go to that that's not my talent um and I'm also I'm just a big all the big auditions in anything I've ever had in this city is I met somebody and then that person connected with that and then they met me and they liked me and then that connected me there. Exactly granted didn't pan out all the time because you know still here but um you know you have those experiences and everything but um it's I I totally agree with you that I I you it needs to change because it just isn't making fucking sense. It's just so stupid.
SPEAKER_02It doesn't and like like the blatant classism that exists like I I can't tell you how many times I've been to a call and I see all of these people with like these these name brand super expensive shit like the Laduca shoes the Lululemon clothing you know whatever and like so on and so forth. And I'm like I am not a not saying that that these people are but like I am not a trust fund baby. I do not have like tons of funds to to to reap off of my parents don't pay for everything. They help me out because they love me and like they can which I'm eternally grateful. They help you out when they can exactly also I can't give you a hundred grand right now like I can't exactly like I can't pay for your apartment for a year like yikes it's it's maddening because I'm like this industry cuts off the greatest talent that they can possibly have just because somebody can't afford to even like print off enough headshots. Yeah to get sometimes to get headshots.
SPEAKER_06That's such a good great point Liz it's literally like you're you're cutting off people that are so incredible but because well I have to be able to pay rent I have to be able to do this I have to be able to take the subway so I have to and I also have to have a stable job but I can't just sit back and but I think it there's the double edged sort of that is I think that the um the true and amazing actors that figure it out are the ones that have that kind of grid that had to go through that and figure it. Absolutely like you know and hey Nebraska's strong we work harder than fucking everybody and I'll say that and then I'll fight you if you tell me I'm wrong. But then there's a Nebraska mindset that I think and granted I didn't live in the boondocks um I kind of wish I did definitely wish I did I don't know western Nebraska is weird but there's a there's a there's a mentality that I feel like I have that I wish I still have that I'm kind of a country boy but I'm not I'm not like I didn't I lived in the city or whatever but like you know I think it's and I didn't have money to do like I have had to work every day that I was able to work to afford to do the other things like I constantly had to do a job but I also I think that I just fucking love Nebraska and I think the Nebraska people's mindset like yourselves that someone is not um given everything and then I'll figure it out but you gotta work for it and I think that there's something really special with that. Yeah and that's my speech to you that you're you're better than all those other rich bitches. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02And they can fuck off but I I mean I agree like I feel like the people that have to actually work for what they do like it's just more fulfilling than in the end in the end result anyway like I worked my ass off to get to this particular spot.
SPEAKER_06So like I am and I don't have respect for people like you know those people that sometimes when they came to New York and then they're like well yeah I just I moved right out of college and you know that their parents paid for everything when they got here and you know that you didn't if I didn't have a goddamn I maxed out every credit card I had to move to the city and if I didn't have a job within two to three weeks I was gonna be fucked like that's the scariness that I did. Don't max out your credit cards I was stupid I made an unemotional dumbass decision that was dumb and now I'm older and I'm not depressed and I you know make smarter decisions but it's the hunger of like I I need to do this and this is the only way I have and I'm putting everything on me and then you you make it work and and you don't I don't know how intelligent that was but I never intelligent and like I will I I also like I think that one misconception that our college in particular like kind of kind of plushed sort of not like whatever but just one misconception especially in musical theater is like New York City is not the end all like you don't have to be here and pay astronomical prices and like whatever like it is a great place for like accessibility to auditions and like there's a bunch of different ones here and like most of them are here but like if you don't want to be here don't freaking be here like yeah I don't know like there's so many people that I respect so much for saying like yeah I went like my old roommates Alex and Betsy shout out to Alex and Betsy I love you so much. Yeah they've been shouting off this podcast too and I fucking love Alex I I you told a story about Alex Wolf on here and I fucking love that guy but yeah shout out to those guys they're I love them so much but like that I lived with them and they just they tried it out they lived here for like a year and then they were like it's not our thing and I'm like which is okay like yeah I think I specifically talking about our college but I because I can only talk about ours but like the mindset of like oh you didn't make it in New York oh you're a failure who the fuck said this life is stupid this stupid audition like that's dumb. Yeah it doesn't make any sense to not make financial security just so you could go do a monologue for 30 seconds and then maybe get it maybe probably not and then you didn't make any money that day like it doesn't make any sense um I was actually I was listening so I I just finished how to get away with murder that uh TV show which I is now like one of my top five favorite favorite TV shows. Top five top five top five don't judge me woman but um I am in love with Viola Davis she is but I that as soon as I I literally I shit you not finished that show today this morning and then I I just was googling how to get away with murder and like watching panels and listening to that woman talk about the the point I'm getting here is like if you don't love the art you have to love the art and the work it's not about the fame it's not about the money it's not about that if you don't love the creative process the work that you have to put into it the connection the the passion you put in if you don't care about that if that's not burning in your heart this doesn't make any sense to do if you don't have that that's fine that's fine to be like this the less than one literally less than one percent of the people you see on TV the people they're on Broadway that is literally the not even Broadway Broadway's not like as cushy of a theater stage gig it is that's not they're not making like millions millions of dollars no like it's but they're making good money in theater terms and everything but it's uh the fact it's like but oh god damn it sometimes I go on tangents and I lose my point no I love it but it was um you gotta work you have to have the you have to love the work you have to love what you're doing and not care about that kind of stuff and if it's that's the natural thing and like Viola Davis just like preaches that and she's just a fucking amazing fucking woman um and I've just learned a lot from literally just listening to that today I've been pretty ant about it all day long.
SPEAKER_02I love that I love that and like literally during this pandemic too like so I I've been taking classes with a shout out to the Jen Waldman studio they I mean it's it's changed my life with is it a studio in New York Liz it is um it's an online platform now just because the brick and mortar because of COVID obviously they can't meet whatever um so I only know it on the online side and it's been even though it's online it's been life changing and like felt so personal um like personalized in a way um and like it's it's made me fall in love with the performance like with the art again.
SPEAKER_06You feel like sometimes you forget about that when you're doing the daily struggle. I think again to piggyback off you is the fact of like the COVID shit I've remember like I love being creative. I love I I I want to do this put my heart in something read a monologue and find the journeys of the character within that thing and yeah going in depth with a thing but I think we forget about that when we're doing the quote unquote grind. Yeah oh 100% fuck fuck this no not fuck this quarantine well fuck this quarantine but like don't fuck this quarantine you know what I mean it's shown me and made me it's shown me things about me that I was like oh Dusty that okay figure it out or whatever but I it's refocus myself I guess is the best way to say it is refocus myself.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely like it's definitely this whole time like I've realized things that I really truly adore about being a theater artist and then other things that I'm like to be honest I actually just talked about this with people in in that like studio and community the other day I was like I don't know if I want this industry to come back until these blatant like crazy problems are gone. Yeah like I I they're very apparent they're very apparent they're not even trying to hide it like you know what I mean like it's just like the blatant racism sexism classism like all of these issues and like I'm like dudes like we preach that theater is so inclusive and it is it can be and it's well when you get to the bigger echelon of that that's when it's not as inclusive yeah because it's all about making money and I get it to an extent like you have to make money to keep it going whatever cool but like I'm like y'all I don't need to see a film actor that I've seen in 10 movies on stage I really don't need to see that. You know what I want to see a new person that I've never fucking seen before go kill it as some random character in like a musical or a play and I'm just like holy shit this is what's out there. That's me that's me an undiscovered actor on stage getting their like shooting their shot for the first time that's incredible.
SPEAKER_06Yeah that you're you're so right it's just it's it's shut down and it's fucking like give me someone fucking new so do you get really upset when um like I would assume so like finding neverland was one of my favorite musicals because it was one of the first I ever saw here did you get upset like Matthew Morrison the guy from Gully was like in it is I think I never personally understand it.
SPEAKER_02I understand it more years later but was that something that like would make you mad like what the fuck why is this guy granted I think that I can't sing like that motherfucker but um Matthew Morrison in particular no because he he started in theater right like he was in hairspray he was in hairspray he was in um light in the piazza with my idol Kelly O'Hara oh is Kelly O'Hara your idol she is my I did not know that yeah she's my idol her and Audre McDonald are like why are they why are they your idols? Broadway Jesus like I can't top them ever but anyway so Matthew Morrison in particular like I'm kind of like yeah like he was he's a theater guy you know whatever and then he got glee and so on and so forth and he transitioned and I don't feel like there's a problem like it's rude of me to say like film and TV people can't transition into theater. Like that's that's rude because theater people always transition into film and TV and it's fine like you can cross do both who cares but I do have a problem when it feels like they're only putting in these people for the money. They're only putting in these people to keep this show running in order to keep creating revenue for the show. And I'm like this I don't care about seeing this person as because they they they bill it that way too if you notice the way that they advertise it it's just like this crazy famous person as this person in this show whatever and you're like okay whatever but like artistic uh the artistic part or the artistic component of theater and stuff right now.
SPEAKER_06Wait what do you I just love that you were nodding and then I was like like in my perfect version I'm like yeah she's getting me she's getting me and then oh what was that yeah doing so well you're doing really well you're doing better than me Liz you're doing fucking great Liz do you hate being called Lizzie? No I never called you Lizzie but I just was wondering if you hated that I don't hate it.
SPEAKER_02I welcome it.
SPEAKER_06Liz Lizzie do you have any other nicknames you called hell yes I do.
SPEAKER_02What else um my dad and like people called me this all the time in college too I think Dalton Palifka especially called me this um more than my dad now so like whatever Dalton but um lizard was a nickname oh yeah I've never heard that lizard okay yeah that's not bad I had a neighbor that called me Beth but I please don't call you Beth I don't know it's really funny actually my dad know who the fuck you were Liz don't fuck she calling you Beth well it's so funny my my dad so my dad named me right when when I popped out and came into this world he was like she's an Elizabeth whatever and I'm named after like my my full name Elizabeth Catherine is um queen based so my dad like named me after queen elizabeth and then Catherine the great whatever um but my dad thought I was gonna be a Beth and my mom looked at me as a baby and was like no she's gonna be a Liz that's there's no question that's way that's a better um I was named after a song by Kansas called Dust in the wind no way I didn't know that my mom loved the song Dust in the wind by Kansas so she just put dust in together and here we go.
SPEAKER_06That's it that's all it is the great British bake off and I was watching uh YouTube videos about that today um why do you love this show so much or why and you also love baking in general so you can talk about that too yeah um oh wow um honestly when I first started watching twelve they told me I couldn't bake and I just said no I just like are
SPEAKER_04I can't do it.
SPEAKER_02Um no, like when I first started watching it, okay. This is the British Bake Off. The British Bake Off. Okay. Yes. I just like This is the one with like Gordon Ramsay or No, it's it's it's totally based in England, um, in Somerset, I believe, England, and gorgeous area, like whatever, like I would kill to be there or whatever.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And um it's just all these people that are just I think what I love about it is that they are all just normal fucking humans, like graphic designers, um, stay-at-home moms or dads or like what have you. They have completely different lives, but they're just like, I love to bake. Here we are. That's it. They're home bakers, and then they're all doing these crazy insane challenges that I'm like, I could never do this if I fucking tried. Have you tried to do any?
SPEAKER_06Have you tried to bake any of the things that you've seen on the show?
SPEAKER_02Well, I do have quite a few saved on a Pinterest board.
SPEAKER_06Oh, okay. What's your Pinterest point?
SPEAKER_02Um, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_06I don't know how to use Pinterest at all. And I I don't think I use it.
SPEAKER_02I don't think I use it correctly, to be quite honest with you. I just like save shit that I'm like, oh, that's cool.
SPEAKER_06That's cool. You just put it in your your report uh for later.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think it's like there's this very specific way to use it. I don't get it, but like whatever, who cares? Yeah, um, there are a few recipes that I have 100% looked up and saved from that show. And just like I'm obsessed with England, like 100% have thought about like moving there for like who obviously saying who cares?
SPEAKER_06Like, why not just like test it out? Mostly because my mentor Eric Little did his MFA there, and but I've never been out of the country ever, which is Nebraska boy shit. Um, but uh he gave me uh my uh passport. He gave me a I don't have a passport, so I've never like oh why would I whatever when he was there he bought me like a passport holder with like the new England flag and or not New England, Jesus Christ, the England, English, British, British flag, the Union Jack with the Union Jack on it, with the British flag on it. Um and it just sits in my room. It's very nice, but I've never yeah, I've never done that. But yeah, I would love to go to fucking England. I was like, that'd be fucking dope. Yeah, uh maybe I'll do that. Maybe I'll move out of New York and I'll go to England.
SPEAKER_02Take me with you because let's go to England.
SPEAKER_03Yes, fuck it.
SPEAKER_02Listen, I 100% during this quarantine, like I've gotten so frustrated, just like with America and the state that we're in, like whatever, blah blah blah. But I've 100% looked up British flats, like apartments there, because I've been like, where can I move? What can I do? Like maybe this will be better. I don't know. So I studied abroad in England for like a month um between my junior year and senior year in the summer.
SPEAKER_06Oh, I know I needed that. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it it, I mean, it changed my life. Like England, British theater, and like I went to the Royal Shakespeare Company RSC in Stratford upon Avon, where we mostly stayed, and then I saw stuff in um Cambridge, and I think we saw no, it was just Stratford and then Cambridge is where we saw all of our shows, and it just like I've never been more inspired as a person. Oh my god, like there was a production of Dr. Faustus, which isn't Shakespeare, it's um Christopher Marlowe, and it's like I've told so many fucking people about this show because I'm like, this show changed my life, like it's so good, it was so good, and like I had never seen a show that was so like well thought out and like well um produced, and like everything just like made sense, and the whole show like also didn't have an intermission, so the tension buildup to this one moment that just like released all of the tension, and then suddenly like everybody in my group was crying because we were all like, Oh my god, this is so beautiful, what the fuck? Like it was holy shit, it was it was oh I can't I can't even I I yeah. So ever since then I've been obsessed with England and like obsessed with Stratford upon Avon and would go back in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER_06Um you made a comment earlier that I wanted to touch on. You you said that you don't sing pop pop well or something, right? Is that am I right on that?
SPEAKER_01Or kind of yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06You say it's not your talent. I just completely disagree with that. You're I don't you can sing anything. I you're you you're an opera singer, which I don't know how that works, and you can sight read, which I don't know how that works. You naturally know how to carry a harmony, which again took like three rehearsals for me to get a harmony on one goddamn line.
SPEAKER_01But um literally remember Joe roll a clip, roll the clips.
SPEAKER_06There's no clips, there shouldn't be any clips because it was horrible. Joe was like, Dustin, you're not getting it. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. What if I don't fucking know? I know the raps, so I know. Um, but I I've always had a fear with musicals. Um, and even to this day, like the musicals, the couple of musicals I've been in part of, it was like kind of character things. I didn't have to no no no no, I didn't have to do that kind of shit or whatever. You naturally I've watched I've listened to you, I've watched you just pick it up like natural. How do you do that? Um, and also how do you sing so how do you how do you sing so good, girl?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. Um yeah, I that's it what's funny is that you're saying, like, I don't understand how you sing like the way that you do, but I I sometimes I don't want this to come off in a weird way, but like I sometimes like hear people that cannot sing at all or like can't hear music, and I'm like, I don't understand how you can't hear the music, like that doesn't make sense to me.
SPEAKER_06Is it because you're so trained in it? Because like I I think I'm almost a polar opposite, I don't it makes no sense to me. I I don't get it. I don't I can hear a tune, I don't think I'm tone deaf or whatever. No, you're not, but thanks. Um, but like I also just also like naturally when someone's like singing and then you like, oh, like this, and then you do it, like, yeah, that's right. Hit that note higher. I it's just I almost feel like it's like it's a foreign foreign language, I guess is what I'm trying to get at.
SPEAKER_02It is it totally is a different language. That's the that's the thing. I feel like singing and music is like a language in it in and of itself, and like I I don't know. I feel I bet you there are some like crazy neurological brain studies about why people are musically inclined and like how those brains are just like naturally developed.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, and I don't know what it is, I don't know if it's genetics, I don't know if it's like whatever. I do know for sure that um funny enough, one of my like great great something rather I don't know how many greats was an Italian opera singer, like way back, I don't I don't know when my dad just told me that randomly when I was a kid. I don't know, it's just so interesting to me because I don't know if it's just like the synapses, what did you do a lot of studying of music growing up?
SPEAKER_06Like knowing chords or whatever? Like, I'm literally gonna sound like a moron. So you did do that.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I started piano when I was um 11, and I did that until I was like, I studied piano for like a while, and then I like dabbled with it again in college, but then like didn't really like do too much with the classes or whatever.
SPEAKER_06Um I remember I was uh the green room we had. I remember one day I was walking with Miles, and I obviously again I've complimented you enough. Um, but uh I was walking by and you were playing piano for somebody, and I go, She play piano too. Jesus fuck Christ. All I could do is semi-act. That's all I got.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, I can like the motherfuckers. I can like plunk, I can read music, is what it is. I can read music. So, like when I look when I look at something, I can be like, oh, okay, I get the general idea of what this is trying to say. I will say though, that this is a shout out to Ellie Thompson. God bless that woman. Because I time signatures, like when something's in a different rhythm, it's unless it's like simple, it's beyond me. So during Into the Woods, my senior year and Ellie's junior year, she was our like assistant music director, and she bitch, she helped me. And I still didn't get it right because I'm a fucking idiot, but like I like it was just the end of um Cinderella's song on the steps of the palace, and I was like, I don't know how to do this. And Ellie was like, literally, Liz, it's not that hard. And I was like, Okay, great, but I could never get it.
SPEAKER_06Figured it out, you're not doing it, and I would have taken uh one eighth of that if I could. You your your idea of not doing it, I would have been like, Yeah, I'll take a I'll take some of that. I'll take some of that if I can. But that's crazy. You so do you consider yourself an opera singer? And what's the biggest difference between being uh an opera singer and a musical theater singer?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um I don't consider myself an opera singer anymore, especially. Um just because I focused, I kind of focused on getting away from that because of the marketability of having a contemporary pop voice is just better as a musical theater performer. Like being able to do the the legit stuff, like La Miz and like Phantom and like whatever is great, but then also like having the flexibility of your voice to do like some more Belty stuff is better. So when you're fully like engulfed in the opera world, it's all like a very specific technique of singing, which can transfer over and should transfer over into musical theater, but it's just like okay, so like let's say singing was the country of England or the continent of England, right?
SPEAKER_06Okay, and then um give me some visuals, I'm better with visuals.
SPEAKER_02I like yes, I got you, I got you. You got me, you got me, and opera singing was um London, and then um musical theater was Liverpool.
SPEAKER_06So like I forgot I didn't know much about geography. Um I get what you're saying, I get what you're saying, but I maybe it was like Liverpool is where like like the dialect, like the dialect. I'm not that dumb. I gotcha. I can follow along with the story, yeah. No, no, continue.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, so like opera singing is like very proper, it's very like an open way to sing, right? And it's stunning when somebody does it really, really well.
SPEAKER_04Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_02And musical and musical theater is kind of like Cockney or like the Liverpool dialect where it's like sort of quote unquote, and like maybe people from England will condemn me for saying this, but like the poor man's way of singing, you know, it's just like opera is like the heightened version, it's like the Shakespeare of singing, and then musical theater is like the contemporary whoa is like the contemporary um version of that.
SPEAKER_06So that was a really good analogy, and you should host this podcast because that was better than I think. But that's I'm literally like, oh, okay, because I again I always just singing, I I don't get it. I anytime I think I'm singing good and I record myself, I'm like, nope, didn't get that there, did you, buddy?
SPEAKER_00Um that is better than you think it is, too.
SPEAKER_06Um yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I think the first time I ever sang in front of our uh theater was what did I sing? It was uh from Hairspray. Uh uh It Takes Two. It was for the In the Heights.
SPEAKER_00I knew that was gonna be it.
SPEAKER_06I don't it's just basic bullshit. But someone's like, Well, I guess you uh they I think Alex Flint, uh shout out to Alex Flint. But he goes, I was talking to him and I was like, Well, I know all the raps for in the heights, but I don't have like a singy song to show that I can at least semi-carry a tune. He's like, Well, what musicals do you know songs to? I'm like, I know hairspray really well. He's like, What? Like, yeah, I know that I like already have um It Takes Two Memorized. We worked on that.
SPEAKER_02I will say, for um wedding singer auditions, way back in the day. Um, I auditioned, speaking of rap, I auditioned with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air rap.
SPEAKER_06You did? Oh, move. That's one of my favorite shows ever. That's fucking awesome.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and Sarah Makoda, my best friend, shout out to Sarah Makoda. Um, I love her so much. She was my beatbox.
SPEAKER_06She she came in and beatbox for you?
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. She auditioned.
SPEAKER_06So she auditions were way cooler than mine were. Fuck.
SPEAKER_02Just that one though, literally just that one. She auditioned and then she came out, and then it was my turn. We auditioned right back to back or whatever. I like came out, whatever, dirted her, and like got in front of Jack and Joan, blah blah blah. And then I was like, I have a guest that I want to bring in. And then Sarah Makoda came out of the freaking splay and started beatboxing, and then I did the fresh Prince of L Air rap.
SPEAKER_06That's fucking awesome. And I think that also leads your um, I don't know what uh type you fall under. And I know that in theater we talk about enacting, we talk about types and everything. I personally, about you, I feel like you can play literally any type. You can play the ingenue, you can play the character funny person, you can play the girl next door, you can play someone that sings some high note for 25 fucking minutes straight or some shit like that. Um, do you classify yourself as a certain type, or do you struggle with that at all?
SPEAKER_02Honestly, like since taking these classes with the the studio and the community that I'm in, like I'm kind of like type is a bullshit idea, and I think it's a bullshit and basic way of of putting people into compartments that they don't necessarily belong. Because, like you said, like maybe I could be the girl next door, but maybe I could be the quirky best friend for something else, like, and it's the same with you. You could be this person, but you could also be something totally different, and like who's to say?
SPEAKER_06What is voicey? Oh my god, because you you put this on, and I was like, What? I still don't know what it is. So I'm literally just gonna go, what is that? Because it seemed like something you really were into. So I want to know what it is.
SPEAKER_02So I have a couple. Um, I think I only have maybe I only posted one. Yeah, I think I only posted one on my Instagram. It's like the the premise of the app, right, is for much more talented people than I musically, but basically you like take a beat that somebody's created, right? Like any sort of like musical beat phrase, like without words or anything, and then you can put your own words, your own like cover to a song, and just like put your own spin on it, right? So I did one with um finishing the hat from Sunday in the park with George, and that's on my Instagram. Um and I like after I did that, and I I was able to hear, I got the idea from a super talented artist um that I follow on Instagram and I know through a friend, a mutual friend of ours, James Tamrick. He anyway, so I I I met her through that or whatever, and she's incredibly in talented recording artist. Um, and she like posted a bunch of them on Instagram, and I was like, maybe I can do this, maybe I can figure this out. So when I was back home in Nebraska during like major lockdown, um in like March and April or whatever, I was like, I'll try this out. And basically, like I me personally, I do like only covers. I've done like one original thing, and I'm like, I don't write music. I just don't, I don't get it. I don't, I my mind doesn't here's my idea.
SPEAKER_06Okay, I'm gonna write a rap.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_06You sing the chorus.
SPEAKER_02I would do it. I would do it. I would do that for you. So the I mean the app is just like super cool to like connect with other artists that are creating different beats for things and like it's and then Easton, your friend started this app. No, no, no, no. She just like does um, I just know her. She's like more of an acquaintance. Um she just does a bunch of them and she's super good. And so I was like, maybe I can figure this out. Like, I don't know. I thought it would be really hard, but it's I I just end up all I do is just like take a song that I know really well. Like I've done um Finishing the Half from Sunday in the Park with George. I did a cover of A Whole New World um from Aladdin and just like fuck it up. I've done Journey to the Past from Anastasia. Like it's just like random songs that yeah, yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, like um if if I can hear a song in my head that can kind of go with the beat, I'm just like, okay, how can I like re-envision this melody to fit within this this other musical like medium and this other like way that it sounds, and then like how can I reshape it and then make it into something different?
SPEAKER_06That's fucking amazing. I'm just gonna download that app now just so just to hear you sing a whole new world. That's exactly the reason I'm gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01It's time for rapid shots.
SPEAKER_06Alright, so I'm gonna read you 10 questions that I've written for you, personalized for you. Okay, and uh, you give me your questions as fast as you can. And like usual, if we go on a tangent, we go on a tangent because it's happened every time. But if we don't, we'll see if you're the first one that ever makes it through without going on a tangent. All right, are you ready?
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_06Are you ready, Liz?
SPEAKER_02I'm ready.
SPEAKER_06Don't fuck it up.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I'll try.
SPEAKER_06Uh, what's your favorite thing to bake?
SPEAKER_02Bake. Um yeah, bake.
SPEAKER_06I I thought I saw that pretty clear. Okay. Well, okay.
SPEAKER_02Um, okay, okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_06What's your favorite thing to bake, Liz?
SPEAKER_02Um probably banana chocolate chip bread, but that's probably gonna change because fall is coming, so it's probably gonna be anything pumpkin.
SPEAKER_06Anything basic. Uh, what Disney movie describes your life the most?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, that's hard.
SPEAKER_06See, this is why I like this segment, because I like coming up with questions that people are like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_02Ooh. Um, wow. Because my Disney princess, like, self-proclaimed is Belle.
SPEAKER_06So your Disney princess is Belle, but you wouldn't think that's the best one that describes you.
SPEAKER_02Um I guess, like, I guess it is kind of like Beauty and the Beast would make sense because you're the beast.
SPEAKER_06You're the beast.
SPEAKER_02I'm the beast. Sure. Let's go with that one. I'm just gonna say that one. Or maybe yeah, no, or wait, maybe inside out is me.
SPEAKER_06See, I I I could see that, yeah. I think I had one in my head that I was trying to and I I just lost it. Frozen. Um, what the fuck's her name? Anna.
SPEAKER_02You think I'm Anna?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I would definitely say you're It on.
SPEAKER_02God bless you.
SPEAKER_06Fun, quirky. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty cool. All right. Would you rather have a pet turtle or a pet bunny?
SPEAKER_02Bunny. Oh, god damn it. Bunny. Bunny.
SPEAKER_06Not turtle, because I specifically post this because of your fucking Instagram.
SPEAKER_02I okay, I love turtles, but honestly, like having the upkeep of like the the crap that you need for it versus like a bunny. My ex had a bunny before it like passed away. But like he had a bunny and I was like, oh, this is cute, and it just like roamed around. But I will say between the two, like I probably would never get those pets because they're like a bunny is disgust, they're gross. And my spirit animal is a bunny.
SPEAKER_06Wait, really?
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. I'm a rat.
SPEAKER_06A turtle over a bunny.
SPEAKER_02No, I would probably do a bunny over a turtle. Just because it's fluffy. Okay.
SPEAKER_06Um. Did you just did you just switch that? You said turtle at first, didn't you?
SPEAKER_02No, no, no, no. I said um, but then I was like, no, bunny. Bunny is okay.
SPEAKER_06Alright, yeah, all right. All right. Uh, what was your first impression of me when you met me?
SPEAKER_02Um, cute guy.
SPEAKER_06That's right, everybody. Um, all right, if you could only watch one musical for the rest of your life, what would it be?
SPEAKER_02The grinning man.
SPEAKER_06Ooh, okay. Um, favorite type of ice cream.
SPEAKER_02Mint chocolate chip, or um, there's a brand, a brand, uh place in New York City, several places like in Brooklyn and Manhattan called Levan Lewin's. Um, and they have like a strawberry cookie crumble, and it's vegan, which is cool.
SPEAKER_06But um it's I didn't talk about your vegan, your vegan shit. God damn it. I'm not really a vegan, but it's well yeah, you said you gave up because it was like it's too many things or whatever.
SPEAKER_02I don't get it.
SPEAKER_06I don't get it.
SPEAKER_02When I started to bake and I was like, what's vegan baking? I was like, this is expensive and difficult. Fuck it. Like, I'm gonna use eggs, people. I don't care.
SPEAKER_06Get out of my life. Um do this. Real flour, I'm gonna use eggs, I'm gonna eat a hamburger, get out of my life. Who would you want to play you in a movie about you, about your life?
SPEAKER_02Zoe De Chanel. Oh, that's such a good choice.
SPEAKER_06Ah, such a good choice. If you could live in any time period, but not this time period, what time period would you live in?
SPEAKER_021940s.
SPEAKER_06Why?
SPEAKER_02I love the fashion, I love the I just love the time period. I've always loved it.
SPEAKER_06I think I would live in the Greek, the Greek times.
SPEAKER_02Ooh, really? Yeah, why?
SPEAKER_06Well, uh I think I'm a badass. Probably not, but I think I think for some reason I just want to have a bow and a sword, and this is definitely probably idealized, like watching movies of it, and I'm whatever. This is cool, and then I text somebody on my phone to get me a sandwich from my bodega, but um it'd also be cool to live in like Shakespeare times, yeah. But I I think uh Greek mythology has always been like a thing that I fucking love and just so interested with.
SPEAKER_02Why didn't I know that?
SPEAKER_06Because for some reason, Tom weirdo just drinks beer and fucking, but yeah, it's course light, it's fine. Now Bushlight, I change it.
SPEAKER_02If you watch my whole I mean, I see that, but like I associate with I associate you with Coors Light.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you should. I think actually it's weird because I think sometimes I feel like this. Um I always am like the person that's like I don't want to feel like I'm not oh yeah, you're all smarter than me or whatever. I don't kind of show my like interests with that are outside of the norm that people see me in. I think and I'm starting with a couple years I've started to be like, yeah, I really like this and I'm into that or whatever. But yeah, Greek mythology is like a huge thing to me. I I like read stories about it throughout my days and everything. And I I like I remember one day I was with Jack and we were talking about um uh I don't even know, it was like Greek tragedy was like the topic that week or whatever, and I decided to like he started talking about um I don't remember specifically, but I remember he got like a a Greek god wrong or something about what they said for, and I just I don't ever talk in clasp sometimes unless I'm making a joke, whatever. But I was like, no, that's actually not right. This is uh this is this and this. He looked at me, he's like, What the fuck? But um was like, yeah, that's the one thing I know about for some reason. Don't know why. Um, what is something you're scared of, Liz?
SPEAKER_02Ooh. Um loss and abandonment. Let's just get really real.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I mean, I mean, yes. I'm afraid of being alone for the rest of my life, so I I gotta I'm also afraid of cats.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_06Yep, cats scare the fuck out of me.
SPEAKER_02Spiders scare me.
SPEAKER_06Who's your favorite country singer?
SPEAKER_02Shania Twain.
SPEAKER_06I kind of forgot if you like country.
SPEAKER_02I am not very into country, but I did watch your one Instagram story where you went off about country. Yeah. And I was like, oh wow, like I resonate with this. Like, that's okay.
SPEAKER_06So this is uh the Dream Sun Dusty episode with my girl Liz. Liz, do you have anything you want to plug, talk about, or anything like that? Um they can find you on social media. You look at her beautiful pictures and her videos and her singing songs and stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you can find me at officially underscore Liz55. Um, he introduced me with my legal name and my stage name is Liz Martelli, which is fine. Um, and that's cool. Um, you can find me with Liz Martelli on Facebook, on Instagram, on Twitter, literally anything you want, and I will probably respond most likely.
SPEAKER_06Thanks everybody for listening to the episode. Um, appreciate the support, keep being badasses. Liz, fucking adore you. You know I adore you. Um, you're Liz. That's it. Um, you're a badass. Keep picking ass. All right, everybody. Uh, peace out, love each other. Uh uh Black Lives Matter and quit being a dipshit in the world. All right, everybody.